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Assalam u ‘alaykum
Anchor: Welcome to the show,
“Ghamidi.” Viewers, today we shall take up an issue that has
been a subject of dispute between believers and heretics: the
theory of evolution. We shall see whether the theory of
evolution is squarely against Islam or not. Is Islam going
through the earliest phases of the explanation of the creation
process? Is the theory of creation found in the religions of
the Semitic race derived from old Greek philosophy? If the
creation of God is consummately perfect, then why are some
babies born special? Was the earth really created in six days
or it took a whole evolutionary process of billions of years?
If human thought and human society can go through evolutionary
phases, why not the human body? These issues make up today’s
Anchor: Ghamidi sahib, what is the
Islamic point of view about the creation of man and the earth?
Ghamidi: Basically the Qur’an does not
take up this issue. The reason is that the Qur’an is a book of
guidance. It primarily discusses the question of death.
However, it is a book of God. Therefore, we see that at times
we find such issues touched upon in the line of argumentation.
The Qur’an has briefly referred to a few facts about the
creation of the universe. Since it is not a basic discussion,
no great details can be expected. Still, it has mentioned some
facts in succinct terms.
For example, it tells us that even though
the universe has been created by the command “Be” yet it has
reached the current form after going through different phases
of evolution. The Qur’an has told us that God has created the
earth and the heavens in six phases. The Qur’an employs the
word yawm (day) for a phase and this leads people to
misunderstanding. The Qur’an has itself explicated elsewhere
that there is a great difference between the “days of God” and
our days. Our day is twenty four hours. A day of God at times
is as long as fifty thousand years of ours. The Qur’an tells
that the angels reach His presence in a day that equals fifty
thousand years. This leads us to the understanding that it is
actually the six phases in which according to Allah Almighty
He has created the universe.
The Qur’an has also told us that at the
starting point of this creation process kana ‘arshu hu ‘ala
al-ma, that is, there was water everywhere. Life started from
that point in time. Similarly, the Qur’an also tells us that
man was created in two phases. In the first phase man was
created from the earth. In the second phase the process of
recreation was adopted. In this second phase he has the
ability to reproduce.
These are the facts to which the Qur’an
alludes. When your discussion progresses I shall explain the
details which have been told by God. While discussing the
story of Adam (sws) and Iblis the Qur’an draws our attention
to some other facts which relate to human nature and God’s
scheme implemented in the later phases of creation.
The Qur’an has also repeatedly discussed
the changes in human understanding as well as the progress in
human culture. It reveals to us their nature. I have not
detailed all these issues at this time because we are just
introducing the matter. As the discussion proceeds I shall
offer more detail of these issues.
Anchor: Ghamidi sahib, you say that all
was water before the creation of universe. The Qur’an also
tells us that God’s throne was upon water before the creation
of the earth and the heavens. Ghamidi sahib, it is difficult
to understand. What held the water then?
Ghamidi: See it has not been told that
this was the situation before the creation. Rather it has been
said that when the process of creation began on earth, in
which life came into existence, His rule was established on
water. That is, it is a reference to the earth upon which we
are now. As to the heavens, the Qur’an refers to their
creation in another style. It narrates the creation of life on
earth differently. It tells us how long it took. For example
it tells us that the basic structure of the heavens and the
earth came into existence in two days; or we should say two
phases. Then it goes on to tell that subsequently the forms of
life on earth which we observe now came into being in four
phases. It means we learn the blessings God has put in the
earth, the variety found in it, the way life appeared on it,
the phases it went through. Thus it means that the present
form of things took almost double the time to accomplish as it
did in basic creation.
Anchor: Couldn’t God create the heavens
and the earth in a jiffy just by uttering the command “Be”?
Did God himself take six days to create heavens and the earth?
Ghamidi: Look, in fact when God does
something special He makes it pass through different phases
before completion. Just to say a mango tree can be made to
grow in an instant. But the potential it bears and the
delicious ripeness in it resulting from the process through
different phases is only obtained when it passes through
different seasons. God can create anything through the command
“Be”. At the eve of the Last Judgment a trumpet will be blown.
The world will be recreated. About this event, God says that
He will finish the whole human system in an instant. But God
adopts both the ways in His acts. At times, He makes a thing
go through different stages because of a certain wisdom. Take
for example a child. It was possible that you plucked a person
of twenty years. He could be sent down from the heavens. On
the contrary he is put through different stages. He completes
many stages in the womb of the mother. Even after coming in
this world he is a very weak being. Then he passes through
childhood, teenage, youth and reaches the door of old age. It
is due to the evolution process God has set that he passes
through these stages. The universe goes through different
phases. The creation process goes through evolution. This
gives birth to the wisdom, the meaningfulness which provides
man the point to ponder.
Anchor: It means you don’t negate
Ghamidi: Look, evolution is operative in
every atom of this universe. But the nature of evolution is
under discussion. One idea of evolution has been proposed by
Darwin. Evolutionists call to this the evolution theory and
propagate it. In simple words we can describe it as follows: A
cell came into being from organic molecules. Then this new
simple creation gradually turned into life forms. Initially
some lizard type animals came into being. Later marine life
came into existence. Subsequently the world of birds came into
being. There is no basis for this idea. However, the Qur’an
itself offers an idea of evolution. Evolution is something
different. Evolution you can see in the creation of a human
being. It is a human being whose sperm is involved. It is man
who has given birth to an embryo. It is a human being who
passes through different stages of childhood, teenage, youth
and old age. Many abilities of man appear with time. For
example, the sex instinct is not activated before one reaches
fifteen or sixteen years.
Anchor (interrupts): Freud negates what
Ghamidi: What Freud says is that it is
the unconscious mind. Obviously it is there in man. But it
appears and is consciously realized by man after a time. So
many such things are settled with time. I have submitted that
when a baby is born it is a complete human being. It
identifies many things. Modern psychology has come to tell
that the baby is aware of the birth process when it
Anchor: The proponents of evolution say
that man is a Homosapien and belongs to the family of apes.
His reproductive system, the structure of his teeth, the
structure of his mind, even the human DNA pattern is 98%
shared by the apes. So, Ghamidi sahib, man came into being due
to only two percent changes. If all these creations were
created individually was God not able to create a unique
physiology in each creation so that this confusion is
Ghamidi: The fact is that when God
created this world he created such variety, such newness, such
beauty, and such similarities. All these things point to their
creator. This is only a human perspective. If man wants he can
be led by these similarities into doubts. If he wishes he can
see the work of the single Creator of the universe in his own
self. I mean this is only one viewpoint. Darwin’s evolution
theory has progressed to many other stages. Biologists are no
more on the point where Darwin left them. They have offered
other theories to do away with the problems with his theory.
An idea of leap was introduced. Similarly, different stages of
natural selection were explained differently.
Anchor (interrupts): You mean none has
Ghamidi: Yes. There are people who reject
Anchor: For example?
Ghamidi: But they have not even produced
the least evidence. So I submit that Darwin’s evolution
theory, or whatever evolution theory exists today, has us
believe that the entire universe came into being from a single
cell. It is nothing more than science fiction.
Anchor: Ghamidi sahib, not a single
established scientific journal has ever published a paper
negating the evolution theory. Harvard, MIT, Cambridge, Oxford
and all other universities teach the evolution theory in
undergraduate courses and we know that these universities
teach established scientific facts to the undergrads.
Controversial scientific theories are offered only at Masters
and PhD levels.
Ghamidi: It is a tragedy of science that
a theory that has not been able to offer even a weak argument
to support itself and which has been repeatedly denied by
fossil records is being presented as a scientific fact. The
stories concocted to establish it have been proven wrong and
the proponents of the theory have at times attempted pressing
Anchor: Really? How does the fossil
record disprove evolution?
Ghamidi: We were told that in a certain
time phase a certain situation should have prevailed. When the
matter was investigated it was learnt that such two fossils of
the same thing were discovered which reveal the same form in
that time period as well. You know what happened regarding the
horse? A story was concocted on the basis of some
similarities. A bone was taken and an imaginary structure
erected on it. This imaginary structure is similar to the work
of a painter who depicts a scene of crime from real life. Such
imaginary structures are then put in science text books and
presented as reality. The fact is that it is a very simple
matter. There are many similarities. These similarities were
to be explained. Now the scholars were deceived as they
assumed that one thing is coming into being from another.
What should have been done? If it were a
reality they could have concluded that just as there are
millions of kinds of beings in their perfect form today there
must be millions of them during the different phases of
evolution. This can never be negated. The evolution theory in
itself demands that the beings in their evolution phase, in
imperfect form, must have been present in that strength as
they are there in their final form today.
Anchor: (interrupting): Ghamidi sahib,
Dinosaurs became extinct. They were imperfect beings who could
not adapt themselves to the circumstances. The short necked
giraffes became extinct. Only the ones with long necks
Ghamidi: Those were not imperfect beings.
An imperfect being would be like a creature which is half fish
and half lizard. This is the imperfection of a being. The
dinosaur in itself was a perfect creature. As for extinction,
it continues in the universe.
Participants: Aristotle presented the
theory that man has been created from a blood clot. What is
your take on the correlation of the Qur’an and this theory?
Ghamidi: The Qur’an does not say any such
thing. The Qur’an only refers to the stages of human life man
goes through presently. Obviously man’s life starts from a
sperm cell which develops into a blood clot. This turns into a
leechlike thing. After passing through different stages flesh
starts to cover the bones. Then comes the time when the embryo
assumes a perfect form from all angles. The Qur’an mentions
these development stages. It does not reveal the material from
which man has been created. The elements used in the creation
of man are there in the entire universe just as they are found
in a human. These elements have been analyzed and revealed to
Human personality has two aspects. One
aspect relates to the appearance and existence of his body.
The Qur’an refers to it in two stages. In the first stage, man
was created from the belly of the earth. In the second stage,
he came into existence through the present process. So while
explaining the second stage of creation of man the Qur’an
refers to these stages like the stages man goes through while
in the womb of the mother. The Qur’an mentions one of these
stages of human development and says that at one time man was
in the form of a blood clot. This too is a term used to
explain the reality. What is the reality? Obviously you would
use different terms to explain the reality. We continue to
coin terms to express the ideas in our mind about the reality.
So this term has been used to make the matter understandable
for the human mind; it has been said that man at that stage is
like a blood clot.
Anchor: (turning to the participants)
Please ask questions.
Participants: Sir, the earth is
4,550,000,000 years old while man is only two hundred thousand
years old. My question is: does not this gap of 4,549,800,000
shake the idea of a perfect creation?
Ghamidi: What do you mean by perfect
creation? Has God Almighty created only man? All the creations
of God are equal to Him. This earth appeared billions of years
ago. Even at that time there were many creations. All this
process passed through a long stage before a time came that
God made a creation like man. There are many creations which
are not discovered by our microscopes. There are many other
creations about which the divine books reveal to us that they
exist and existed much before our creation. For example there
are angels; for example jinns; the universe of God was not
However, we have come into existence at a
certain stage in the evolution process. Afterwards God’s
scheme about us was implemented. We must not see the entire
universe and the entire creation process from our own point of
Just recently an island has been
discovered which contains about ten thousand species which are
not found in any other part of the world. We don’t know how
many creations have been created by God and how He is dealing
with them. Man should not assess God in analogy to his own
knowledge which is always limited.
Anchor: The ancient Greeks held that the
universe was created from the four elements; fire, earth, air
and water. Now the Qur’an too refers to metaphors for the
creation elements such as earth and water. Does it mean that
the Semitic religions’ creation theory is only an extension of
the theory of creation given by the ancient Greeks?
Ghamidi: What are the elements of the
universe? This is a separate discussion. The question about
the inception of creation of man is quite different. Both of
these are different issues. The Qur’an does not mention the
elements of creation from which man has been created. It tells
us that actually human creation started from a type of sticky
clay found on the seashores which we can call mud. This is
what the Qur’an says. It uses the terms tinin lazib (sticking
clay) for the material. We can take it just like the present
process. What is that process? There are different elements in
the earth that go inside our body as food. There are different
processes going on in this “machine”. Then a drop of water is
created and an egg also. Both come together in a particular
manner. Due to this interaction between the two, am embryo
comes into existence. It goes from different phases and grows
into a living human being. Concerning the body this process
takes about 120 days to complete. Now this is the process of
reproduction today. The same process has once taken place in
the “womb” of the earth. I mean the same earthly elements
which we take into the machine of the body in the form of food
today once started to exist in the mixture of earth. Then in
the earth itself they slowly went through different stages and
assumed the form of a complete human being just like they do
Participants: There are three different
things that accord to scientific knowledge. First, the
initiation of the universe. Second, inception of the earth.
Third, the inception of life on the earth. I shall ask you a
question about these at different scales.
Science says that the universe started
from an explosion of great magnitude fifteen billion years
ago. In technical terms we refer to it as the Big Bang Theory.
Then it is held that this earth came into being five billion
years ago. After that simple life came into existence here.
Now physical theories too give a theory of evolution. The Big
Bang Theory holds that the universe started from nothingness.
First a great explosion gave rise to small particles. Then
came the neutrons out of quark, from them matter and then the
universe. So the idea of evolution in the physical world has
scientific proof. Would you reject the idea of evolution in
the physical world as well?
Ghamidi: No. I have submitted that the
Qur’an does not reject evolution. A rational human being
cannot reject evolution. Evolution continues. But what type of
evolution? One form of evolution is that propounded by Darwin.
The idea of evolution given by the Qur’an is different. I have
given you an example and said that it is not that a young man
of twenty-five descends from the heavens. Man goes through
different phases during his existence. A human being comes
into being after that. The question is: What is the right
concept of evolution? I have submitted that the Qur’an tells
us that man’s creation has two phases. During the first phase
the earth worked as the womb of a mother. The process which
led to different stages of creation presently operative was
initiated in the earth first. It is as if God has planted in
the human body a factory. It takes only those particles which
we put in it as food. It is these elements in which all the
chemical reaction takes place leading to the creation of a
water drop from which is initiated the creation of man. Why
can’t this action upon the things we take in as food and
water, produced by the earth, take place in the womb of the
earth? Why can’t this take place in clay? It is the same
action that was done upon the earth initially. It is the same
action. Today it happens in the womb of the mother. Then it
was processed in the womb of the earth.
It went through evolution phases when it
took place in the earth and even now it goes through the same
evolution process. But this idea of evolution is different
from the evolution mentioned in our science books, which is,
believe me, nothing more than science fiction. I mean not a
single bit of proof has been offered to establish it. Since it
has become a doctrine and entails a whole concept of atheism
many people are attached to it emotionally. Therefore, even
when the strongest evidence disproving it comes to light they
remain reluctant to accept and present it at an appropriate
level. But a study of the issue will bring you to these facts.
You will learn how many ideas were presented, how many
imaginary structures were built, and how many imaginary plans
were offered to the people. And based on a bone God knows what
type of extraordinary structures were erected. Later on, it
turned out that all was a myth without a trace of reality.
All the record of fossils found till this
very moment does not even offer weak evidence proving the
existence of creations of middle nature. Reason demands and
logic entails that were there any such evolution there should
be thousands and millions of such fossils.
Participants: You have mentioned
different phases of creation of man. The Qur’an says in the
verse 13 of Surah Mu’minun that Allah created a clot out of
the drop, turned the clot into a little lump of flesh, made
the flesh into bone and then clothed the bone with flesh. On
the other hand science establishes that the bones and the
flesh are not created one after the other. Rather, the
creation of both start with the mesoderm. How would you defend
religion at this point?
Ghamidi: The fact is that the Qur’an does
not reveal the order of creation. It only tells how the whole
process goes. The intention is not to explain in scientific
terms that this has been created and then that has been
created. Rather God is referring to His power. He says: you
see how bones are clothed into flesh. You observe how a very
ordinary blood drop turns into a being after going through
some phases. A drop of water is processed through different
stages. This is what the verse seeks to explain.
Participants: Can I infer from your
statement that science and religion do not contradict? Both
science and the religion hold the same that man has been
created through these stages. Does it not establish the
veracity of the evolution theory of science?
Ghamidi: These are two different
viewpoints. The current stages of creation man goes through
can be observed any time. It is subject to experience and
observation. You can observe the stages when you like. You can
show these stages of evolution to the people if you like.
People stand in awe when they find that the Qur’an, which was
revealed to an unlettered man accurately details all these
stages. They have been given in correct order; depicting the
order we observe today. This is something that can be
observed. What is being said about the stages through which
man passed earlier cannot be observed. It is subject to
theorizing. Such theories have been presented by the people as
the theory of evolution. They offered these theories to the
people. They claimed that it could be based on fact. They
hoped that in future evidence would be available for the
theory. But unfortunately no evidence has come to our
Now this theory of evolution has become a
doctrine. This led to an inclination to present a theory as an
established scientific reality whereas it is not a reality. It
is still science fiction. The evidence it needs has not been
discovered. All that has been said was disproved with the
passage of time.
Participants: If religion has always been
telling us the truth, then why do we study science? What is
the need for science? If religion tells everything plainly and
relates the reality to us then why not follow only religion?
We don’t know our consciousness, our mind and reason.
Ghamidi: No. Both are different things. I
submitted in the beginning of my response to a question that
this is not the subject of religion. Religion is concerned
with our death. Death is approaching. What is going to happen
after it? Why did God create this universe? What is the scheme
in His mind? What is the wisdom of God found in the worries of
this life, its griefs and pains? What is the path to success
in the ordeals we go through and the tests we are put through?
What is God going to do in the next world? This is the subject
matter of religion. Religion does not teach science. It does
not tell us how to make a bed, how to create an atom bomb, how
to treat a patient; these are not the concerns of religion.
Religion has not been revealed in order to teach you
engineering; it does not teach medicine. Scientific
disciplines are needed by humans. They are to learn them,
study them, and know them. It is through these disciplines
that new avenues of knowledge are discovered. It is through
them that culture develops. The subject of religion is
different; the subject of science is different.
However, while introducing Himself,
explaining His power, detailing His wisdom, He explains things
which relate to the scientific disciplines. Such things are
touched upon as secondary issues.
For example, I start explaining some
ethical principle to the people. My original subject is
ethical purification and guiding the audience on how to purify
their moral selves. But I refer to something as an example in
order to explain a point. This may bring into discussion a
scientific phenomenon. The Qur’an also touches upon such
issues at this level alone. When the Qur’an touches upon such
a matter, obviously, it will not give wrong information as it
is the book of God. But the rest of such issues are left to
our knowledge, study, experimentation and observation. We
should ponder over them, and add to the knowledge about them
as the progress in human culture and progress depends on such
knowledge. Therefore, this knowledge is extraordinarily
important in itself.
I believe that Muslims should only engage
in two types of knowledge; Qur’an for their good afterlife and
scientific and physical disciplines for their worldly
betterment. Unfortunately Muslims have put the Qur’an upon
their back and instead of natural sciences their
intelligentsia is mostly engaged in metaphysical subjects such
as philosophy and taṣawwuf. Scientific disciplines have not
been the center of its interest for a long time. This is the
primary cause of their downfall. Therefore, these are two
separate spheres. Both should be separate. At times, science
starts discussing religion. Similarly, at times, the Qur’an
discusses a scientific issue in consideration of its own
needs. For example, the unity of God is under discussion, or
the idea of the afterlife is being clarified, and God presents
cosmological and psychological signs and meanwhile a reference
is necessary to a scientific reality. This is the
inimitability. It is extraordinary. Take a book from two
hundred years ago time you shall find many ridiculous things
in it. On the contrary this is a book from an unlettered man.
Fourteen hundred years have passed and not a single letter in
it has been disproved.
Participants: My question is that the
Qur’an tells us about the stages of evolution and scientists
too give the theory of evolution. Does science present us a
way through which we learn about evolution?
Ghamidi: We are not even doing this. We
are just analyzing both separately. We are trying to see
whether the point of view of science is a reality? When a
scientific theory proves to be a reality only then it should
be presented as a scientific fact. A theory is only a theory.
It is only a hypothesis which is being considered and analyzed
as to whether we have any evidence to support it. It is very
true that knowledge advances through theories. This process
should continue. Therefore, if the biologists have presented
the theory of evolution they have not committed a sin.
Evidence in support of the viewpoint they have offered may
appear. Evidence against it may also appear. This process
continues. Progress in the rest of the disciplines is made
this way. What is unfortunate? The bad luck is that when
evidence against the theory came, science stuck to it and held
it like a doctrine. Many scholars expressed their sorrow upon
the fact that they did not find any evidence to support the
theory. This is not the task of a scientist. When something is
held like a doctrine this attitude is inevitable. The task of
the scientist is to face reality. He should tell the world
honestly the facts he finds. He should tell that no evidence
free of doubt has appeared so far to support the theory. It is
a theory. Keep on thinking. Nobody forbids it. However, the
issues upon which the Qur’an has spoken we should learn the
Qur’anic view on that too. If the Qur’an tells us how human
history started and how guidance was given to the world
through Adam (sws) then this is the subject of the Qur’an.
When the Qur’an has taken up this issue we should learn from
it. We should also learn what sciences tell us. When this is
done there remains no chance for any contradiction between the
creation of God, the universe, and the statement of God.
Anchor: Are you accusing expert
sociologists and biologists to knowingly commit dishonesty?
Ghamidi: The fact is that no one has the
right to accuse them of dishonesty. But we have evidence which
clearly indicates that a reality has come before you and you
don’t acknowledge it. At times, it happens that one commits
such acts unconsciously. Don’t the followers of the religion
commit that? When they have formed a doctrine and an idea and
when they adhere to a certain sect they too suffer from such a
mentality. This is one of the weaknesses man suffers from. We
believed that scientists would keep themselves pure of such
things as their discipline is of such a nature. But this did
Anchor: Ghamidi sahib, the twenty-seventh
verse of Surah Mu’minun says that before the Noachian flood
Allah commanded Noah (sws to put a pair of each animal onboard
the boat. But how was it possible for him to put a pair of
50,000,000 species of the living creatures together and put
them on a handmade boat? Or these species have come into
existence after the evolution process afterwards?
Ghamidi: Well, the fact is that the
English word “every” is used in the context of the situation.
When I say give a cup of tea to “everyone” among these people
I use this expression in a particular background. A great
flood was sent upon the nation of Noah (sws). A great area was
under water. Those put on boat had to start life again. It was
said about the animals needed by them that they should put
them onboard the boat. Otherwise the whole process of
providing them with the animals required by them and which
were the foundation of their economy would take centuries. In
such contexts the word “every” or the Arabic word kul (meaning
“every”) is used. So it is used in a particular background. We
too speak this in the same sense. We need to appreciate that.
People have inferred a very wrong conclusion from that. The
Qur’an has not said that they were commanded to keep a couple
of every species found on the whole earth. Neither did the
flood affect the whole world. Nor was the intention to keep
the creatures from the entire world there.
A nation faced flood. God’s punishment
was implemented upon them. The nation was annihilated. Some
people were saved as they were put in the boat. The survivors
had to start their life afresh. All the animals they needed
were kept. See how I have used the word “all” in the last
sentence. But I have used it in with a certain background. The
Qur’an speaks in a literary language. We should appreciate it
fully. Previously this question was asked. I submitted that
the Qur’an has used this style of expression while mentioning
the phases of creation. The Almighty has told that how man is
to be made an example of God’s power. He does not intend to
say that first bones are created or it was flesh that is
created first. It is not the intention.
Anchor: It means that the Qur’an is not a
book of science?
Ghamidi: Certainly it is not a science
work. The reason is that the Qur’an has not been revealed to
tell you how realities come to light or what is its view about
the subject matter of science. The Qur’an discusses these
issues at the secondary level. For example you are writing
some literary work like drama, fiction, or novel. You might at
times refer to something related to science or mention a
physical reality. The Qur’an has come to guide us. The
guidance relates to the life hereafter. While discussing this
it may refer to something and being the word of God it cannot
Participants: You have categorically
rejected the theory of evolution and held it as science
fiction. Millions of years passed during the creation of the
universe and man. This theory has been presented by man about
two hundred years ago. Research on this theory continues.
Isn’t it a wrong to man, human reason and human research that
he has been given very small amount of time? Isn’t it
injustice to reject the theory man presented while it is still
being researched and evidences are being presented?
Ghamidi: Look, the fact of the matter is
that if the theory is presented as a theory and we are told
that research is being done on it we would not react this way.
The theory is not presented thus. It is forced as a reality.
The mind is asked to accept it as that. Then imaginary
sketches are drawn the way they usually are. Then these
imaginations are further enriched by more layers of
imagination. A scholar commented on it: What sort of research
it is to make an elephant stand on the legs of a grasshopper?
So this state of affairs is very saddening. Therefore I submit
that we are not rejecting research. Keep on researching, let
your theory progress. But since the Qur’an has talked about
this issue, has revealed the stages of human creation, and
after mentioning both the stages it has clarified that man was
man since his inception.
That is, we started the process of man’s
creation from mud. (17:35)
The Qur’an goes on to tell different
stages. It clearly seems that when a thing was created in the
clay an egg began to form the way it does usually. Then the
egg burst as has been referred in the following words of the
Man appeared from that. (32:35).
Obviously now he is born in the form of a
weak baby. But at that time he must have appeared relatively
well grown. Then the same process was put in a human body. He
reproduces the same way. You can see that all the creation
processes go through these two phases. We created computer in
a bigger from. Then we started condensing it. See how
beautifully the Qur’an has summed this up:
He started the creation of man from mud.
In the second stage He made his progeny
from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised (32:8).
Then He fashioned him in due proportion (32:9) and blew spirit
in him. So the Qur’an mentions both the stages.
Participants: Absolutely correct. If man
was created this way does not it warrant that from the very
moment the survival of the fittest began?
Ghamidi: Survival of the fittest is a
completely different thing and the process of natural
selection which Darwin proposes in his theory of evolution is
another thing. In this world you must have the ability to
survive in order to live. This theory goes even further. You
will enjoy a good life in the Hereafter only if you have
purified yourself morally. So this will remain. But note
evolution is a word. What is your idea of evolution? Survival
of the fittest is also a term, an expression. What is your
idea of this term? In the present form this theory leads to
pure racialism. It implies that one can determine the higher
race among all mankind found on earth. This has led to
discrimination in humanity. This idea has transgressed against
philosophy. It has offered an idea about all mankind which
shakes everything. These people have not remained confined to
biology. They have taken a purely biological theory and
applied it to sociology. They have created the same atmosphere
in sociological disciplines. If you include different fields
in sociology and throw a glance on its evolution you shall
face mind blowing facts which are startlingly different from
the changes that are told to be in biology. But a mindset has
prevailed. A doctrine has emerged. All things are seen from
that point of view.
Therefore, we criticize this theory.
Stages are passing. Life is moving forward. Why would not we
acknowledge it if an intelligible theory is offered? We
believe in the Messenger who has been commanded in the Qur’an
to tell the people: I am presenting before you the Qur’an and
the Torah. If you have anything as a guide better than these
two I shall follow that too. So let any idea come. But an idea
as shaky as science fiction, lacking any evidence and being
supported only through guess work can’t be accepted. What you
are saying is like what I told earlier; an elephant is hosted
on the legs of a grasshopper. Then you present it as a
scientific reality. The reaction is against this act. Say what
is actually there? Just say that it is a theory. You are
researching and studying the available data. It may possibly
be correct. Is this theory presented this way? Take any book
and you will find that it is being presented as sure truth. It
is only a theory. It has not become a fact. But the people are
told that it is a scientific reality that has been discovered.
The truth is that there is not even slight evidence in support
Anchor: Viewers, from the time man has
become conscious the biggest problem he has faced is to
rationally explain his existence. Religion has been fulfilling
this human need for a long time. But we cannot completely
reject the possibility that divine knowledge and human
knowledge are two dimensions of the same fact. In the next
episode we shall further discuss the theory of evolution.
Allow me and the entire team of the program Ghamidi to leave
(Translated by Tariq Mahmood Hashmi)